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There has been no change in the amounts of harassment due to the switch, and it's left all of us on edge about what can and cannot be posted. For site related topics, there are plenty of other boards. The purpose of GenDisc is to be inclusive of both Neopets topics and allowing us a safe space to talk about non-site related topics as well. It's important. And it's ridiculous to punish users for discussing what they ate for dinner. There's a General Discussion board for a reason.
In the usual fashion of users phrasing things in far better ways than me: ❝Restricting the boards to be neopets-related only is punishing innocent users who just come on here to socialize in what is, at least comparatively, a much safer space than most of the online world❞ - @quartzissosorry
I do not feel like I should have to write an explanation for this. If TNT claim to be in support of trans users, they need to show it, not just tell us in an attempt to make us be quiet. (Not saying that's what they're doing, it's all alleged of course)
Should this go along with the prior? Perhaps. But they're both seriously important. There's a difference between saying ❝Don't be transphobic❞ and ❝Don't do these things which are inherently transphobic❞. It helps fight the plausible deniability certain users are obsessed with using.
❝Also define what transphobia is for the members of tnt who are reading
1) deliberately referring to a user by the wrong gender, pronoun, or name
2) propagating ideas about transgender people being mentally ill, confused, or brainwashed.
3) the obvious derogatory words (woke liberal, snowflake, the t slur)
4) notions of ❝woke transgender ideology❞ being propagated by governments
I can keep going but I think u get my point. this stuff has to be clearly stated or else they will continue acting obtuse.❞ -@smallbunnies
I feel weird writing a description for this being one of said users. But seriously. We didn't do anything wrong. This doesn't just mean me and the other users that were gotten for ❝unrelated❞ offenses. Users whose offenses were simply calling out transphobia in a polite, rule abiding way should not be punished here. Accurately pointing out something is transphobic is not (or at least, should never be) a crime.
This should include all users wrongfully punished for defending themselves or others against transphobia. No, this does not include transphobes "defending themselves" against trans people calling them out. Whether silenced, frozen, etc., these people deserve their accounts restored.
We need something to be able to point to to say ❝this is against the rules❞. Right now harassers are able to skirt by and the moderators are all following a different ruleset. They need to be accessible, and they need to be very clear. Additionally, we should be able to see when specific rules were updated.
It's the standard (and in many places a requirement)in public online spaces for the users to be able to block others. Yes, Neopets has a block function. However, it does nothing about the neoboards. Being able to block someone--where they cannot reply to your posts and you don't have to see their messages--is a necessity. Not just in relation to current events, but in general.
Additionally, we should be able to (optionally) write a reason for blocking. This is fairly standard procedure.
Somewhat gone over this already. When moderators take action, it should be clear as to why and it should be consistent with other actions. What many would consider the absolute baseline for moderation
Plausible deniability has been a major issue. Current moderation (from how I and others have seen it; this is all alleged) (though I do believe I saw a screenshot of a ticket in which it was confirmed) will look at a post that is very transphobic, but unless it blatantly says something like ❝trans women aren't women,❞ will look the other way. There's no ❝it's just my opinion❞ (not an opinion when it actively harms others) or ❝it goes against science❞ (no, it doesn't, look at what scientists say before making claims like that). Bigotry is bigotry and transphobia is transphobia. If mods are unable to recognize it, that means they need better training, not that a post that everyone else says is transphobic must be perfectly okay.
Currently, the report options relating to board posts are, to quote @plantshop, "loose fits in terms of wording".
❝Dogwhistles only fit 'other' right now, and wouldn't be surprised if that helps it get forgotten easily❞ -@_dragon_legacy
❝Updated support type may be better off being phrased as the more broad ❝Discrimination/Hate Speech❞? I feel as though 'Harmful Views' could be spun back by those looking to target trans users as I've already seen several of them trying to make some argument that being trans is 'actually harming ME you know :( hence my reluctance to call it that.❞ -@kath460
❝Their language needs to be made more explicit and clear. the whole "difference of beliefs" only invites bad-faith arguments just like we saw on here over the last number of days❞ -@rissy123
While purely speculative, some users have found that users actively paying the site money (through either premium or active, frequent purchasing of NC) have less moderator actions taken upon them. Similarly, some users noticed a pattern where accounts labelled as Male have less actions taken against them than those marked Female or Other.
No one should have to pay admission in order to get fair treatment. Ideally, mods wouldn't be aware of the financial support a particular user does or does not apply. It doesn't matter if a user pays nothing or pays everything. Their actions should be treated the same.
And discrimination based on gender is even less logical. I fully believe it's subconscious bias, but that doesn't make it okay.
Quartz again with the wonderful phrasing on this one.
❝We desperately need a more direct line to provide feedback, other than the ticketing system. Between Alice W and Jessie J, they are clearly too swamped as it is to be the sole people receiving and responding to complaints and suggestions. If they're promising to keep our feedback into account, we need to know that someone is actually reading the concerns that we're sending, not just skimming it over, replying ❝we're forwarding this to the right department for review,❞ and then we never hear anything again. We need real responses from these departments.❞ -@quartzissosorry
We've had multiple cases of poor communication within TNT as of late. It feels like each department is entirely disconnected and that even within a single department, everyone is following different information.
Recently, someone had a ticket response say that TNT aren't ever allowed to post on the boards, as the (supposed) same TNT user was posting on the boards
❝No more contradictions and conflicting information when asked the same question or tickets are passed between multiple people❞ -@jackallantern
I understand that any one person cannot work 24/7, but we need 24/7 (fair) moderation. This site currently is one many users have stated they wouldn't feel comfortable allowing their children to use due to what's been going on. We need a moderation team that makes us feel safe and that we know we can trust. Hiring people is expensive, sure, but this should be a priority. The current situation is not working.
❝Also, I always ask for this, but more diversity in moderators! Are there even any queer mods?? I'm sure a more diverse staff would lead to more comprehensive understanding of their diverse player base.❞ -@teabloom
❝I agree with teabloom that they should have a more diverse staff, including a more diverse moderation team. This includes people of color, trans people, people with disabilities, etc. A lot of TNT's mistakes come from lack of knowledge on differing backgrounds. A more diverse team would really help.❞ - @paperclipss1
These are no minor issues. Give us a timeline of what you're working on, what to expect, and a general idea of when you expect it to be accomplished. This is not something to brush under the rug and wait for us to calm down
❝I also think tnt owes y'all a timeline for how they're going to accomplish everything they set out to do in their statement. The ❝soon❞ on the FAQ is entirely too vague for a website that couldn't even complete their first quarter road map.❞ -@hectic_haley
If it needs to be said, neither are other LGBTQIA+ identities. People can talk about being trans; it's not a political issue. People should not be illegal or a hot political topic due to their identity. And no, being transphobic is not an identity, it's bigoted harassment.
Plenty of people have had moderator action taken against them for things that were fully rule abiding in context. This should be the bare minimum.
Honestly, I'm against this, as it would allow users to make it look like things happened differently than they did. I've seen other users suggest it though (and not just the one quoted) so I'm listing it anyway. Rather than write my own explanation I'll use this:
❝The boards need to function better. We should be able to block, delete and edit. The internet is forever so I assume TNT should still have access to original posts even if a bad actor deleted problematic posts. The delete function or edit would come in handy for simple mistakes/spelling errors etc.❞ - @95problems
It's important to recognize and discuss. So many trans people, especially trans youth, lack a safe online space. If Neopets.com is meant to be kid friendly, then we need to be accepting of all people. Transgender people are not inherently political, nor are they inappropriate. If a trans kid/teenager goes onto what should be a safe, supportive, online environment to express themself, especially one as predominantly LGBTQIA+ as Neopets, they shouldn't be told that it's wrong, that it goes against science, or rel*gion, or anything of the sort. They should be welcomed and accepted. Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Non binary people are non binary people. All the rest of us are the gender(s) we are.
The only thing inappropriate for kids or political about trans people is transphobia.
❝I also think what should be added, correct me if i'm wrong and this is just on a different page, is a section emphasizing how important a safe space for transgender youth is. people like to say ❝this is just a kids site, get politics off of here❞ but in reality, no, we MUST continue to talk about our own identities and advocating for one another! trans youth are one of the highest at-risk populations and they NEED and DESERVE a safe space like neo
I know that most of us are adults on here, but until neo updates their board policy to match our actual ages (18+), it's incredibly important that a site like neo (who claims they advocate and support the LGBTQ userbase) actually does the work to make it a safe space for anyone who happens to be under 18 and comes on here ❤❞- @pikachu193
I believe it was said in TNT's statement that the mods are being retrained, but it needs to be done well. Transphobia (and other bigotry!) must be properly addressed and receive actual consequences. TNT needs to be able to recognize what is and isn't bigotry, look at the context, and be consistent. It's ridiculous that one user (me, hi) would have their accounts chain frozen for a joke (supposedly; I (allegedly) don't actually believe that was the reason but read that tab for that info) while users blatantly invalidating, harassing, and misgendering trans people are given a warning or at most a 24/48 hour silence.
We don't expect a singular person to be on the boards watching every second, but that's what moderation teams are for. Some posts are left up for hours despite containing extremely political and transphobic messages. No trans person or ally wants to see hours of transphobic rhetoric remain up. Some users have screenshots detailing exactly how long some of these boards have lasted. When things are an issue, they need to have moderative action taken and the post deleted as quickly as possible (and I mean an actual issue, like transphobia, not people eating dinner). A site that lets that stay up is not a site supporting trans people.
People should not be punished for standing up for themselves against bigotry. Calling something out as transphobia is not a form of bullying, name-calling, or harassment; it's important. Lately it's seemed like TNT thinks saying something is transphobic is worse than being transphobic which is not okay.
People shouldn't get moderator action for accurately using -phobia/phobic, -ism/ist, or other terms describing prejudice and discrimination.
Supporting both sides or calling it a difference in ideology/opinion isn't right. Someone's identity isn't an opinion. If you disagree with who someone is, then that's not just a difference in ideology.
❝There isn't two sides in this that they need to placate. Either you advocate for trans people, or you continue to enable the transphobes by giving them the space to continue spreading their hate speech. which makes you complicit in the situation.❞- @tentaclebeast
If there's something you'd like to see added, find me on the boards or feel free to send a neomail.
If I've quoted you and you're not okay with that, let me know and I'll fix it immediately. Happy to remove the quotes or make them anonymous.
❝I would strongly encourage that the team reaches out to LGBTQIA+ and specifically trans-led collectives to receive in-depth training on how to recognize anti-trans rhetoric, identify and dismantle transphobic and transmisogynistic biases, and work to create a safe space for all players. Only after this can the harm that occurred be corrected and effectively addressed to restore the trust and good faith between players and the Neopets support & moderation teams.
These steps cannot be overlooked when creating a space that fosters so many trans community members, who are greatly at risk to receive harassment and experience violence. The online vitriol has ramped up so greatly since 2022, and it requires great effort to combat the transphobia that all people globally learn unconsciously.
Making a public statement backed by specific actions to repair harm about Neopets' commitment to stop silencing trans players, take immediate action against players who share harmful rhetoric, and take any additional steps needed to create a safe place for players of all gender identities is necessary.❞ - @funnysaurus in their ticket to TNT
❝I need to see:
* ALL of the moderation team + support team members taking part in training to combat transphobia internally & on-site
* timely, appropriate action (i.e. freezing with no chance of account return) taken against players who share violent rhetoric
* restoration of all accounts and account abilities (reversing silences) of players that were frozen/silenced for speaking out
* clear, explicit rules against sharing of harmful rhetoric WITHOUT demonizing folks for defending groups
* clear communication from TNT about not 'both-sidesing' harmful rhetoric or granting -isms and -phobias ANY sort of ideological legitimacy
* a public statement + apology for how this was and has been handled, and genuine repair of harm
so the terms 'transphobia/c' or 'racist/m' shouldn't be banned, and calling out harmful behavior/rhetoric should NOT be recognized as 'bullying' or 'harassment
and they should commit to actually removing slurs onsite_ - @funnysaurus
❝Dogwhistles only fit 'other' right now, and wouldn't be surprised if that helps it get forgotten easily❞ -@_dragon_legacy
❝Restricting the boards to be neopets-related only is punishing innocent users who just come on here to socialize in what is, at least comparatively, a much safer space than most of the online world❞ - @quartzissosorry
❝Updated support type may be better off being phrased as the more broad ❝Discrimination/Hate Speech❞? I feel as though 'Harmful Views' could be spun back by those looking to target trans users as I've already seen several of them trying to make some argument that being trans is 'actually harming ME you know :( hence my reluctance to call it that.❞ - @kath460
❝Their language needs to be made more explicit and clear. the whole ❝difference of beliefs❞ only invites bad-faith arguments just like we saw on here over the last number of days❞ - @rissy123
❝No more contradictions and conflicting information when asked the same question or tickets are passed between multiple people❞ - @jackallantern
❝Also define what transphobia is for the members of tnt who are reading
1) deliberately referring to a user by the wrong gender, pronoun, or name
2) propagating ideas about transgender people being mentally ill, confused, or brainwashed.
3) the obvious derogatory words (woke liberal, snowflake, the t slur)
4) notions of ❝woke transgender ideology❞ being propagated by governments
I can keep going but I think u get my point. this stuff has to be clearly stated or else they will continue acting obtuse.❞ - @smallbunnies
❝We desperately need a more direct line to provide feedback, other than the ticketing system. Between Alice W and Jessie J, they are clearly too swamped as it is to be the sole people receiving and responding to complaints and suggestions. If they're promising to keep our feedback into account, we need to know that someone is actually reading the concerns that we're sending, not just skimming it over, replying ❝we're forwarding this to the right department for review,❞ and then we never hear anything again. We need real responses from these departments.❞ - @quartzissosorry
❝Also, I always ask for this, but more diversity in moderators! Are there even any queer mods?? I'm sure a more diverse staff would lead to more comprehensive understanding of their diverse player base.❞ - @teabloom
❝I agree with teabloom that they should have a more diverse staff, including a more diverse moderation team. This includes people of color, trans people, people with disabilities, etc. A lot of TNT's mistakes come from lack of knowledge on differing backgrounds. A more diverse team would really help.❞ - @paperclipss1
❝I also think tnt owes y'all a timeline for how they're going to accomplish everything they set out to do in their statement. The ❝soon❞ on the FAQ is entirely too vague for a website that couldn't even complete their first quarter road map.❞ - @hectic_haley
❝The boards need to function better. We should be able to block, delete and edit. The internet is forever so I assume TNT should still have access to original posts even if a bad actor deleted problematic posts. The delete function or edit would come in handy for simple mistakes/spelling errors etc.❞ - @95problems
❝I also think what should be added, correct me if i'm wrong and this is just on a different page, is a section emphasizing how important a safe space for transgender youth is. people like to say ❝this is just a kids site, get politics off of here❞ but in reality, no, we MUST continue to talk about our own identities and advocating for one another! trans youth are one of the highest at-risk populations and they NEED and DESERVE a safe space like neo
I know that most of us are adults on here, but until neo updates their board policy to match our actual ages (18+), it's incredibly important that a site like neo (who claims they advocate and support the LGBTQ userbase) actually does the work to make it a safe space for anyone who happens to be under 18 and comes on here ❤❞ - @pikachu193
If I've quoted you and you're not okay with that, let me know and I'll fix it immediately. Happy to remove the quotes or make them anonymous.
yall support of trans users has to go farther than your want to troll the trolls
announcement of my new neoboard interaction boundaries (please read!)
TNT please stop releasing Harry Potter wearables...
week 4 of asking tnt for better moderation
Ambassador feedback board pt 2
who here is still boycotting nc / premium
feeding trolls does absolutely nothing to help trans people on neopets
promises to be better towards the trans community
some thoughts on the matter: pls don't let ur guards down
KEEP THE PRESSURE ON - We're Not Done Yet
TNT, please rename this back to General Discussion as a sign of goodwill
TRANS POSITIVITY FOR TRANS NEOPETS AND TRANS NEOPIANS
a blumaroo bounces past and says "trans rights!"
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Curious as to what's NOW going on?
We wanted to reach out to you about your recent interactions: According to TNT, continuing to reply to a user after the user tells you to stop is a FREEZABLE OFFENSE. This was news to both the affected user and everyone else in the board...
Continuing to contact someone after they've blocked you goes against the Neopets Terms of Service and community guidelines. We know most players don't intend to cause harm, but we want to gently remind you that this kind of behavior isn't appropriate on the site.
If the behavior continues, we may need to take further action, which could include a formal warning, a temporary silence, or—if necessary—a permanent account freeze. We truly hope it doesn't come to that. We appreciate your understanding and ask that you help us keep Neopets a respectful and welcoming place for everyone.When the original poster of the board told the named users to stop interacting, other people also commenting on the board were stumped as no one was being confrontational or inciting any kind of conflict. One of the users named by OP even mentioning that OP hadn't told them not to interact before. It appears that all three users were reported by OP after the OP made the aforementioned post, which led to them receiving the warning.
Users replied to OP's post by questioning why they weren't allowed to post on their board, while others made jokes around OP's decision of informing different users that they weren't allowed to post on their board.
The conversation eventually turned into a general discussion about other topics and the exchange of links to humorous images hosted by Neopets. Later that day, posts began being removed by moderation, and the same warning was neomailed to various users.
Players were unaware at the time that such a rule or guideline existed about not interacting with blocked players, nor of the consequences of not complying with this apparent rule. While said rule or guideline has not been fully implemented via the Site Rules or Guidelines page, this rule about not contacting blocked users does not appear to apply to all users. TNT appears to be selectively enforcing this rule.
On another board created by a trans woman, a user she had previously blocked for harassment posted multiple times on the board even after OP asked the other user to leave the thread and stop posting. Reports were filed, but it took almost 7 hours for the user's posts to be removed.
The first post in the thread continues from the title saying "...promise to do better by your trans community, change absolutely nothing, show zero actionable steps and then release a bunch of items that profit off of Harry Potter - a series written by a woman that is directly responsible for funding anti-trans laws in the UK. This is why we didn't believe you. Do better."
The thread derailed into a discussion between trans users and their allies against the usual harassers and HP fans regarding the release of items referencing the author's works. It was amidst this debate that Lily made a couple of posts and engaged with two users:Lily: Right now, we're updating three major areas: Site Rules, Moderation Policy and Chat Rules. The site rules and moderation policy have been around for decades without real updates, so I totally get why things feel outdated and confusing now. Since they need a full overhaul, we're working on updating everything together. Not just the LGBTQIA+ related sections. That's why it's taking a little longer!
USER1: hi tnt lily is there a chance the items can be pulled to actually improve how safe LGBTQIA+ people feel on the site?
Lily: We're putting a lot of care and thought before this happens: research, benchmarking against other gaming standards, focus groups, community surveys, and making sure everything lines up with legal requirements etc. As for the Neoboard Chat Rules, we actually don't have an official set yet besides information posted here and there on past editorials.
USER2: @tnt_lily Can you please tell the content team that items referencing HP are not a good idea if you support the trans community? We're talking about the upcoming lupe day capsule items
Lily: ©USER1 - Yes absolutely! We're hoping to send a community survey like how we've done in past years & dedicate a LGBTQIA+ section. So, all players will have a chance to give their thoughts!
USER1: @tnt lily does this mean the lupe day items will be put on pause until the survey is complete? there is potential for people creating multiple platforms in bad faith to boost anti-LGBT+ views/silence LGBTQIA+ voices, is there a way to have the survey more secure?
Lily: Updated Site Rules are already in motion and we hope to share that with you guys first! Just a reminder to keep things respectful when we're chatting on the boards. Let's avoid calling anyone out and keep the focus on the topic, not the person.
Lily: ©USER2 - I'll bring this up to the team
Lily: Enjoy your weekend everyone! Don't spend it arguing lol
Following this announcement, users responded in two ways: gratitude toward Lily for communicating with the user base, and skepticism from those still waiting to see real changes.
• Reviewing and updating our moderation policies
• Providing clearer chat guidelines
• Retraining our moderation team
• Ensuring consistent enforcement
• Gathering community feedback on potential rule updates
In the meantime, they urge users to consult the site's FAQ, which was written by taking unimplemented chat rules announced in a editorial of the Neopian Times.
A user sent a ticket inquiring about this, and the reply they got from support explained that the change was made to ❝combat further instances of harassment on the General Discussion boards❞. Players opined this wouldn't help improve the situation and expressed their discontent about being denied a space where they could discuss non-Neopet related issues.
After a few days conflicting information appeared indicating that the renaming of GenDisc was planned prior to the moderation issues being known, leaving players unsure about the true intention behind the change.
TNT still hasn't released a statement or commented about the reason this change was needed.